Topic: Opaline (?) white, enamelled, gilded, goblet/vase with lettering

[chopin-liszt]

  Surely you mean microscopic detail?

[flying free]

  
ah well  It's fun.  I love research and miss it badly. This is the next best thing.

[flying free]

I'd like to say 'forensic' detail Sue but unfortunately cannot afford to do any forensic research.  I have a few pieces where I am desperate to know a bit more about the glass itself.

m

[chopin-liszt]

How much crime is likely to be involved? 

[catshome]

Yes......mission accomplished......managed to get both pieces.  Very very long day, just got in so will take photos tomorrow and post.......including macro pictures of the flowers!

In case any Hungarian speakers are about......the letters run around it in this order, but I don't know which one is supposed to be the first one (? Denotes one character that I cannot decipher, which is shown upside down on the right of the third picture)

EMLEKÜL?

Sue, I think you're right about it not being opaline.  When I hold it up to the halogen light in the cooker hood, the entire piece is white.  As I move it away from the light the foot turns that pale bluey grey.  The inside is semi matt and feels slightly odd.....not exactly rough......could it have been sprayed white inside the bowl?  Does that help in figuring out whether or not it is alabasterglas?

Could it be Biedermeier? 🙀

[catshome]

Good old google translate.......it says MEMORIES in Hungarian.  That's so sweet.

[flying free]

It is opaline glass but it's not made with bone ash in the batch ( and traces of arsenic ? ) or whatever else it is that makes it go opalescent i.e. shine red under strong light.  It's alabasterglas opaline which doesn't shine red and is made opaline translucent with something else in the batch.  Tin oxide maybe.

It could be Biedermeier period (which is up to 1850 iirc) - I thought it might be a little later c.1860 or so. 

Can we see some new pictures please against a white background?

It's lovely.

m

[chopin-liszt]

As Flying Free says, if there is no "fire" when you hold it up to the light, it is not opalescent. No arsenic or bone ash.
I know nothing about opaline or alabastro or combinations.

[catshome]

Proper pictures at last.


approx. 14cm high x 7.5cm rim diameter.  weighs 374g

[catshome]

yet more

Flowers do appear to be handpainted - at least no sign of a transfer and slight variations apparent in panels with almost identical images.

4th picture is the symbol or character that is unidentified - it might just be a random decoration to fill the space on the 8th panel.